It's for the company and pleasent experience she can provide on top of it. A call girl at her level has to be the entire package and meet all the high standards her clients require. So social ineptitude is not going to fly. I had this thought developing as I read through your post and then you nailed it far more succinctly than I could.
Being a respectful, courteous, interesting, feminine lady is apparently now a rare talent worth thousands per hour. In fairness, I have no doubt that the market is almost as depressing for women seeking a confident, masculine man. How far we've fallen Fuckin' hell bro, you're gonna send me back into the depression phase.
The irony is, I wrote about how we'd become the poorest men in history. I still believe that men want more than mere wealth.
We want that feeling of power, admiration, wealth, love, romance, respect etc etc. The alterations in the gender dynamics have made this almost impossible.
The young boys growing up now won't just struggle economically, but they're going to struggle culturally, emotionally and intellectually. We've allowed women to implement their race-to-the-bottom style of competition across society so completely that in some areas, the effort and reward are not just unproportional Depressing as fuck, but needs to be accepted if you're going to try and play the game.
I keep having an adverse reactions to these posts, that is 'nexting' a girl. Clearly I am not completely disenchanted with the 'happily ever after' tripe. I can only speak for the women I know, yes there are rougher ones, bu tthere's also plenty of respectful, courteous, interesting and feminine women.
The rare part is all that combined with 'hot as fuck'. Combine the 2 and it's worth 's an hour. It's like that today, as it always was and always will be.
Well, maybe not with fembots.. Exactly, and now you have the push for "gender diversity" which roughly equates to creating a new field of jobs for people with 'no actual skills'.
Why compete when these braindead fuckers are getting cushy gigs for doing absolutely nothing at all? And this is an example of the extortion modern men have allowed women to create a marketplace for I've found that many, many women exhibit these traits Make no mistake, the majority of what she charges comes from her body.
If she was your average skinny girl with small tits and a beer pouch she'd be charging a few hundred at best for the same service. The depressing part for me isn't that these traits are so rare for a night. Game a girl successfully who's SMV points below you and she'll act like this.
I've had women offer to pay, be courteous all night, and treat me with respect. The depressing part for me is that after just a few dates it all falls away.
Just like with this woman, it's an act meant to elicit money or commitment from you while hiding her true nature. If you want the respectful, courteous, interesting, and feminine woman, you have to be okay with the fact that you'll never have her for more than nights at a time. Buying an escort or decent backpage girl will be cost effective. Plus easier and way cheaper to trade in. If a client asks her to spend a month in Bora Bora in an ocean front villa, all expenses covered, I assume the pricing won't be as steep.
At full price, a famous dude could have saved over a million bucks. My comment is nothing more than evaluation of the monetary cost of marriage, let alone the emotional and physical costs. Additionally, you have a broader selection of partners at basically no risk since the relationships are purely on a business level so to speak. They probably cry themselves real tears when they come again and again when getting paid an hours.
Why would you want to trade a perfect 10 that fast? You get to know each other better, have deeper conversations, develope inside jokes, get more comfortable, and sex gets better. After a while, when you want something new, sure, but not that often. Op said there are price discounts: Escorts are freaking expensive, they are echo chambers and they are not including a hunting experience. Like I said, I would rather go to a place with good hunting conditions then giving up hunting and getting the steak from some overly expensive butcher.
Most escorts are nowhere near 8k. Some great content in here, it is fascinating to me that these girls have it essentially worked to a science, a "career" that is usually thought of as cheap, low budget cock sucking is actually making this girl rich, and is much more then the stereotype.
I guess nobody taught them the ways, the same as us. I guess we're the lucky ones though since we have enough awareness to realize this or at least after coming to this sub, not shun it.
This blew me away. Not at all what I would have expected. Your friend must have really owed you one too btw. This really puts the current dating market in perspective. The crazy part is in regular relationships you pay for it one way or another. Reading this begs the question, are you really getting your money's worth? And to think so many hapless guys stay in sexless marriages and for what? Her telling about her wealthy married clients was like a sucker punch to the solar plexus.
Those guys are crazy successful to be able to afford her and yet their wives can't even put out and they stick around because divorce would be too costly. Their women have them by the balls. It really is a state of affairs we've got ourselves into here boys. What an amazing date that must have been?
I can't imagine what it would be like to go on a date like that, it's never happened for me. There's always the bullshit you have to put up with. This is why I damn near feel like King Kong bc of my current wife. Actually tries really hard to take care of herself and is still very traditional role woman. I of course work out like a fiend as well as make good money and compliment her femininity so we have a good dynamic. They let themselves go and try to stick their tentacles into your bank account with whatever tools possible to control you.
It was even pre red pill for me but somehow I managed to figure out enough of this shit on my own before I actually married any of these slags. I worked a job with a group of Eastern European college kids a while back here in the US on J-1 visas. I agree the women from Eastern Europe are pretty traditional and the guys are RP as fuck.
Traditional gender roles everywhere. That's where it's at. About the only time I felt like I was part of a legit brotherhood was when I was hanging out with those guys. It's hard to find in this day and age. RP bros or gals. I'm from the US, the dating scene is pretty fucked here. An RPW is akin to a unicorn.
Someday I may have to spend some time over there In my country the wallflowers sometimes are caring feminine and non-toxic. Sadly just like women are ruined nowadays, men all expect a model girlfriend who is a virgin, which in this day and age is near impossible. That was something I also noticed in the post. Frankly, of course escorts like her are better than most women bc if they weren't, who'd pay? It's just the sheer contrast between her and the average hot babe that is sad.
A hooker agreed and amplified my beliefs to make me feel mentally good before she actually fucked me. You got played, this woman deals with plenty of men whose heads she is used to manipulating, nothing new. I've gotta agree with this guy, she's being paid to ensure you have a good time. It just lays their with it's arms and legs spread, probably bored, or possibly hating you with her vagina. Her passivity in the experience extends beyond the bedroom e.
Knowledge is free and accessible to everyone unless you live in North Korea or somewhere similar. No sympathy from me. And married her anyway. I hope you mean "feel sorry for the guy so indoctrinated he falls for this slut anyway. In some sense, I do still feel sorry for the plugged-in, but on the other hand TRP is right here. And I'm sure we all share an experience just like mine: You can only feel sorry for someone so much before you need to realize they're lost and like it that way.
Some people create hell in order to live in it. Yes, shared a similar experience. They picked up a copy of one of male "Rational Male" books I happened to be reading. Say the phrase "avoid the Beta" in the index put down and called it garbage. If it were a friend or associate who did his I wouldn't hesitate to cut them lose.
It's another when it's your older brother. The blue pill runs deep in those latched to fantasy. Is it in the sidebar or in the book of pook?
I've read all the material but I don't remember a O, unless I just forgot. Thanks for the report. Didn't read any of what the girl said because women lie, hamster, mislead and manipulate. Listening to women talk about men, women or dating is harmful to your masculine outlook due to its inherent dishonesty. Will you be happy with normal girls ever again?
Girls like this go exclusively to the wealthy and upper class rich, to be real, there are no normal girls like her available to him, or most men. Whore are just smart sluts. Remember this gentlemen, your high school ex who's doing coke in the bathroom of some club whilst getting hammered by strange cock will always be of lower value than a whore.
Sluts hide their shit value while Whores are honest about who they are. Im self sufficient and make decent money for a 25 year old but nowhere near the ability to drop 8k on anything Unnecessary.
If you want a high-quality woman, who not be a high-quality man and do what it takes to get there? The thing that sticks out is what women are really capable of if they are motivated and are actually interested in what men like.
Here we are devoting significant time trying to figure out what they want in order to have positive encounters. And the plain truth is that they just don't really give a shit about what we want without being motivated by significant amounts of money and power.
The only way to get around that price is to really learn the dark arts in order to capture and own a woman's mind. Or threaten them with death like it's Saudi Arabia, ha.
Seems a little pricey too me. With money to spend like that I'd just have a couple superficial relationships going. I find this disappointing. Its disappointing that men today are so fucking thirsty that this is even an option. Turn the clock back years and this wouldn't even remotely be the case. I doubt she'll have that same attitude in 15 years.
I suspect she herself will be married to one of these "clients", but the non-escorts she knows won't be, and she'll be hearing about how "No men in my age group want to be married, this is a huge problem! Interesting that you found a woman that one could describe as being in the "Wife Zone" and she happens to be a 2K an hour escort. It has turned the modern young woman into drunken, drug-addled, bar slut trash Lena Dunham wannabees.
Then as men, while still bearing the burden of expectation, we collectively have to either sift though the detritus of the something landscape of women trying to find that one diamond or wait until they start fading and decide they are finally ready to attempt respectability.
At the end of the day, if we are honest with ourselves, we see that as a losing game either way we go. So what is our choice? Stay bachelors and become narcissists ourselves? Seems not such a great conciliation. Wouldn't it be great if you could find a woman of such quality who cared that much for herself and for you - for the sake of love - having it be a sacred bond and not the cruel irony of 8 grand for a just a night of it that any other man of equal means could have.
Then you would be able to show all the devotion and love to a woman they believe they deserve. The kind of love as a man you want to give and experience without participating in a game of liar's dice. Why wouldn't she be?
She's still a woman, allowed to be interesting. In fact, she's paid to be. You have obviously never dealt with a lady of the night before. Women go their entire lives learning how to lie to, and manipulate men. Women of the night strippers and high-end hookers are the creme of the crop. Grand masters of seduction and manipulation. Ive been with about 35 normal chicks and probably about 10 hookers, from Eastern Europe to Thailand. My favorites have still been long term GFs.
Now thats a sad statistic about the state of normal girls today. I did that about five times. It doesn't hurt nor upset women at all. This part really bugs me. The game is completely stacked against men. I would love to give up hookers and just have sex with "normal" girls, but there is so much competition for them and I'm almost always overlooked.
I've actually been wanting to do this for a while. Head down to Tijuana and see what the fuzz is all about after some shitty, overpriced backpage experiences. Do you have any tips? If you don't wear a condom with a hooker, you're a fucking idiot.
Unless she brings in a clean STD test dated yesterday, double wrap that shit. From my experience they do not require that. Personally I don't think I'd want to pay 8k go use a condom. That makes sense, however as was said below Are clients required to be tested beforehand? Vegetarian diet, workout daily, no drugs, no smoking, no tanning, get regular health and STD checkups".
I was, it probably depends on the service though. I get myself tested regularly anyways, so it wasn't much of a hassle. But reading this makes me kind of depressive. I have a nice rotation going on with legit good looking girls but they dont live up to this. No matter what there is always some kind of entitlement bs or some drama going on. Makes me think I should just get fuck you money like you said and just enjoy quality company with no BS as you described in this way From a rational perspective this does feel like a solid decision but at the same time I cant get rid of the feeling of it just being extremely low tier to have to pay for a woman.
On the other hand, maybe it is just what the world has become While this is an awesome experience, and one that I would love to have someday, I think it would have been wasted on me.
I have this thing where to get truly turned on, I have to feel like the girl is legitimately turned on by me. Maybe that's BP residue, but I truly value the accomplishment of owning the girls mind as much as her pussy. That's what I usually hold on to after the experience. It's weird, when I feel a girl is only mildly into me I get somewhat nervous and feel put off by the possibility that I will disappoint her somehow. I would probably end up on the "date" with this escort and start trying to get into her mind somehow.
Not sure what that's about but I have an inherent disgust with phoniness. I realize that's validation seeking, but as someone alluded to, I think it's probably like the difference between the experience of catching and eating a king salmon versus being served going to the store and buying it. Ultimately you are still eating, but for me the thrill of catching it is the most lasting experience. So through a really weird coincidence this girl I knew professionally quit her job and just started traveling the world - I couldn't figure out how because she was fuck all broke.
She is stunningly attractive, though. When I broke up with my ex I ended up inviting this girl on a whim to a party I was hosting. She showed up, looked amazing, and I'd always wanted to fuck her had a girlfriend when I met her so I did. Fast forward a month, decide I want to fuck her again, and she does all the things this girl does less charge me any money - dress up how I want, be where I want, do what I want, fuck how I want to fuck etc.
Come to find out she is a high end escort. That's how she is taking these trips all over the world. She only sees a few clients a month, most are married, and they're all very wealthy she charges a few hundred an hour. She would prefer to just see one and live a 'sugar baby' life style. She's one of the most level headed women I've ever met when it comes to RP topics.
There is no game with her - she understands the real interactions between men and women. Thanks for this report. This woman provided a perfect few hours for you as a highly professional entertainer - performer.
But it was an act really, she doesn't really care about you and is doing exactly the same thing with another guy the next night. It is really just a variant of women dangling their charms to get what they want from men, with not a whole lot of sincerity.
The only thing is that you are literally paying her to hear what you want to hear. Never trust what a woman says, only trust what a woman does. Either way, I'm sure it was an enjoyably experience. The whole time I read this post I was thinking "who doesn't know that a top priced whore would be an awesome experience? Seriously though nothing he said should surprise anyone at all, least of all here. This is pretty much the only time you can get the truth from a woman, when she knows it won't affect her reputation and she's going to benefit regardless.
She could afford to drop the pretense and admit RP truths. I knew a guy who had serious 'fuck you' money because of his parents that did this. He still wasn't happy though, even if he appeared to enjoy it. It's just not the same if they don't genuinely desire you, even if they're good at faking it.
Fucking 10's is great, but there's always going to be a lingering feeling of emptiness if you're incapable of actually drawing in women yourself. Btw, can you upload a picture of her somewhere? Need to re-read this with her body in my mind. Mask the face if you're worried. She has a point, but I think she is only thinking of what life is like for girls like her and her social circle. The escort in the OP is young and hot, so yeah she has tons of men after her. A big part of what drives men to MGTOW is refusing to be a BB after women like that hit their 30s and 40s, their looks fade and they want to siphon off huge amounts of cash from some clueless, thirsty guy.
Point is, what a woman whose SMV but not RMV obviously is in the 99th percentile does and says is not totally applicable across the board. She doesnt know what the fuck she's talking about basically. She doesnt realize that her youth is the only factor that is determining her career.
Her looks will exponentially fade to a point where it isnt fair. Women dont know shit about men and how men see them. Once they realize they are wrong about men they turn bitter and angry. Sorta like the anger phase that redpill men go through. This is why you never waste your time with women over the age of If men before the age of the Internet had all redpill knowledge , this western society would've never existed.
When she hits her 40s, lets see if there are still an endless line of wealthy beta bucks willing to marry her. She will get very angry when she finds out she can't get guys like that anymore because the high SMV guys are chasing girls 20 years younger than her, and I'm sure she will blame men and society at large. It's also much harder to keep a man than to seduce him. So hot, young women can get men easily, but that power fades in time. Those men mostly want to have fun, nothing serious. Men are harder to keep for a long-term relationship or marriage.
My impression is that a lot of the unhappy men that the escort in the OP describes are men who hooked up with hot young women, and as their looks faded they had nothing left but their personality which they never had to work on because they could always rely on their looks. When you have no carrots to keep a man, you rely on sticks.
I love the game and women, sounds like you love yourself a sex robot. And who gives a fuck if your girl is "cultured" lmfao much classy so high. I'm not buying the friend story at all. You paid for the girl yourself and too embarrassed to admit it. There's a meme going around about how prosititution is illegal because "men want women to be always freely available.
No, it's because women want to use sex to control men. Maybe I have a one-sided view being a guy, but if a woman were to put just as much effort in her life, from the culture to the health to the properness of no shit test and punctuality; wouldn't she herself have a better experience of her own life?
Second thought, aside from the mercenary aspect, she's the female version of the basic principles of TRP:. I wonder how her husband even found out about that. It sounds like due to her work she actually had to improve herself. That's ironic given the normal mindset of career women and her industry, but makes sense. She gets the dynamic and plays her part like a pro.
I don't doubt the quality sex. She came multiple times every session and knew how to have fun. It was literally a workout fucking her, but it actually felt real. Unfortunately she was a single mother and was trying to get over a drug problem, among many other red flags. She lied a lot and told the truth afyer, no doubt because she knows how most people would react if she told them her history, and I simply didn't trust her as a result.
Moreover I also saw a lot of BP behaviors in her and she mentioned her therapist saying she wasn't classified as BP anymore at one point so that's two strikes right there, ironically. Truth is I still think about her from time to time, she was that good. But I couldn't risk getting close because Of thise issues and she bailed fairly quickly, likely because it was clear I wasn't going to play her game.
Interesting perspective and let me start out by saying that I respect the job of an escort. That also immediately brings me to how this relates to the RP. The job of an escort or prostitute, as far as I am concerned, is alleviating the sexual burden of the beta. The purpose of the Red Pill is to ultimately not have to depend on payment for sex.
Since finding out about and applying the Red Pill for a longer time I have increasingly had women--quality women--pay for me. I do nothing for them: Going home with me is no longer my prize of conquest, but theirs.
They bring me gifts, food and pay for my dinner. I've even been invited to other countries to come visit them at their expense and have gladly taken them up on their offer. Escorts can be a good, quick way to fulfilling a need, but I strongly feel it goes against the philosophy of the Red Pill.
This subreddit is about becoming the person that has the higher value and is to be paid for. The Red Pill man gets to pick and their counter parties have to put in the effort: Was talking to a girl a while ago, my brother's friend.
Conservative girl from a conservative family. Her first question after all BS: Needless to say nexted her. I haven't paid significant amounts of money to any women my whole life for anything. Still, Backpage has faced pressure too. Besides Natalie, women who said they were trafficked through Backpage filed lawsuits in and , but they were unsuccessful. Last November, the U. Senate published a nearly page investigation it had conducted into Backpage, and in March the Senate held the site in contempt after it failed to respond to a subpoena.
And in open letters, 46 state attorneys general and 19 U. Ferrer faces 11 counts related to pimping. Lacey and Larkin, publishers who founded Backpage in through their newspaper chain New Times Inc. The arrests were the culmination of a three-year California Department of Justice investigation that involved agents posing as Backpage clients and interviewing escorts, some as young as The men are out on bail and due to appear in court November In a joint statement , Lacey and Larkin said the charges violated the First Amendment, among other things.
But escorts who post ads on their own without pimps, as well as free-speech advocates, are worried. As one sex worker wrote on the website Tits and Sass: But ads violating those rules seem to be slipping through.
Her nonprofit has identified more than cases of missing children who wound up in Backpage ads, and it has worked on an additional 3, or more potential cases of suspected child-sex trafficking on Backpage, which the nonprofit has not yet confirmed, in California alone. Seventy-three percent of the tips the center receives from the public relating to child sex trafficking involve Backpage.
Grace Marie, a sex worker, poses for a photo in Los Angeles, on July 30, Perhaps, but now the California case has shaken the commercial sex industry. Anastasia Kent, the nom de plume of a sex worker and blogger, says everyone she knows who sells sex has advertised on Backpage. Others in her industry feel the same way. The Sex Workers Outreach Project, which advocates for the rights of people involved in selling sex, said in a statement that just because someone advertises on Backpage does not make him or her a trafficking victim.
Workers and their allies met to protest the California case and have posted on Twitter with the hashtag ISupportBackpage. In , Scott Cunningham, an associate professor of economics at Baylor University, and a colleague found that sex workers who advertise online tend to be better educated, better insured and practice less risky sex than street-based workers, and thus are less likely to spread sexually transmitted infections.
But opponents of Backpage insist the bad outweighs the good. Eighty percent of them were probably sexually abused at some point in their childhood.
The former Backpage moderator left the site a few years ago to work with trafficking victims and law enforcement full time. She says she now relies on Backpage ads to track down victims who are reported missing.
The site, she says, usually cooperates, and one that takes its place might be less willing to do so. People in fields other than sex work are also sticking up for Backpage. The Electronic Frontier Foundation, a nonprofit that defends online civil liberties, says the site is immune under the Communications Decency Act, which protects web publishers from liability for what people post on their websites.